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Need v. Want

  

by: dancingtrees

Mon Mar 01, 2010 at 13:47:11 PM EST


(Food for thought, thank you dancingtree! - promoted by Kathleen)

Maslow's hierachy of needs Pictures, Images and Photos

Maslow's Hierachy of Needs

Where to begin?

Frugal living is an artform, if approached the right way.  By doing without, you can begin to glimpse within.

So many people in america have forgotten what it means.  We all get caught in the hype of the next new thing, "oh- I HAVE to have THAT!  It will make my life so much easier!! How did I ever live without it?!"  While this is true for a very few things(running water, toilets, etc.), most of what we buy as essentials really aren't.

But of course we are bombarded by advertisement constantly and from all sides. It is hard to go through even one day without thinking 'I wish I had ___.'  And the stores make it easy.  You go to Wal-mart (or whatever store you care to name) to buy one thing and end up at home with several bags of things you just HAD to have.

This, in itself. is not really the root of the problem, just a side branch.  I think the trouble lies more in our definitions of want and need.  Too often a thing will seem like a 'need', when it is no more than a fleeting 'want'.  The trick is knowing the difference BEFORE buying.

So how do we do this?  I found inspiration in a book called The encyclopedia of country living by carla emory.  She suggests making a list, needs and wants, side by side.  Any time you think of something, you put it on the list, then wait for a week (I think she waits a month, ...) If you still feel like it is a need after this long, then it might be and you should go get it, but if you have not really been hurt by its absence, it should probably go to the want side. Then, after moving it to the want side, wait another week, to see if you really want it, or if it was a passing fancy.

I have to be honest... I have not physically written such a list, but I do use this constantly in my head, like a mental want/need list.  I find that most things I want one day have been completely forgotten about in a week, while the few things that I need I think about every day. (Damn! We need more laundry powder!!)
And no, my house does not look remotely like the ones in Better Homes and Gardens, my dishes dont match, and my clothes are faded, but I am happy, I appreciate very much the things I DO have, and do not live in debt.

I will end this for now, although I could write disjointedly for hours more on the subject.  Please give your ideas, how do you decide between needs and wants?  

dancingtrees :: Need v. Want

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Need v. Want | 64 comments
So this is my first blog post ever! (8.00 / 8)
I hope it makes at least a little sense.  Im having a hard time formatting my thoughts, they are like bees, all trying to get out at once!!! Bzzz bzzz bzzz!!
I hope to make this a regular thing, as I find time.  My daughter is 9 months old and heavily in the grip of separation anxiety, so things dont always happen as I would like them to.  
Also, forgive the poor spelling and structure, please.  I am more into science than grammar!  :)

great first post! (8.00 / 5)
thanks

i'll not be able to give a well considered reply for a couple days, prolly. i've been sick & can't think.

"Indeed, if a poor man will spend a year in prison for stealing out of hunger,
how high would the gallows need to be to hang the rich man?"
~The Patrician in 'Snuff' by Terry Pratchett



I've been thinking a lot (8.00 / 6)
about this lately.  I'm at the point where I realize things don't make me happy, and I'd like to pare down my possessions and live a simpler life.  

I've already started buying less--a lot less, and now I'm planning a big garage sale to get rid of all the stuff I've been keeping "just in case."

Less clutter makes me a calmer person, and I'm finding that my attachments to things are weaker than my need for simplicity.

I have "The Encyclopedia of Country Living," but haven't pulled it off the shelf in a long time.  Thanks for the reminder to revisit it.  

Great first post!  I look forward to reading many more from you.


thats it, (8.00 / 6)
less clutter = calm person.
I also like to save things for just in case, and have had yard sales too. Its nice to make a little $ on stuff, makes it almost worth having saved it for so long!

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excellent, dancingtrees! (8.00 / 4)
I'll definitely check out the encyclopedia of country living... "Frugal living is an artform" ~ what an excellent expression, and a most excellent first post!  

It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm

Wow great essay!!! (8.00 / 4)
Good job dancingtrees just what we need here!

I had a hard time finding you a picture so I just put up Maslow's chart.  Hope that is OK.

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its wonderful! (8.00 / 5)
just perfect, thanks kathleen!

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Maslow's hierarchy (8.00 / 5)
Thanks for posting the graphic, Kathleen.  It made me think of how many people in America today are on the bottom two rungs of the ladder--just barely getting by--and how much more they might achieve if they could get their basic needs met.  

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I know puzzled (8.00 / 4)
I think it was in the purpose essay when my thoughts went back to this graph realizing how lucky we are to even be at a place where we can ponder these thing.

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After we built this home (8.00 / 5)
I took a year off from buying anything new except food.  I had decided this was a protest move against corporations.  A protest against stuff.

We never buy new cars, furniture and most of the time I buy our clothing at our second hand stores.  

I have longed for a junk free home so I keep a box in every room and when I am in that room and see something that i no longer need I put it in the box.  The box gives me time to change my mind yet it is also a reminder of the stuff I have collected that just sits around gathering dust.

I commit to one garage sale a year and mark stuff so cheap that I usually sell most of it.

When I buy a new (used) article of clothing I do not allow myself to put it on the shelf without taking one thing down and putting it in the box. This stops the process of more and more stuff.

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I love the box idea! (8.00 / 5)
I, too, buy used if I can. Yay for thrift stores/ goodwill!!

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the French have two words for new (8.00 / 5)
I'm sure other languages are similar, or even more complicated!

There is one word meaning "new to me" and another word for "brand new".

So yes, we recently bought a new car. A 2005 Prius. I have to admit if a 2009 or 2010 had been available we probably would have gotten it. But there wasn't one that we wanted. We passed up several with expensive extras. When the 2005 showed up we were happy to get it.


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I love Toyota (8.00 / 5)
We have an old Toyota pickup that we used when building this home.  We talk about selling it but I still haul dirt and rock in it so it sits and runs every time we put the key in it. Was your Prius involved in the recall?


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don't know if it's in the recall group (8.00 / 4)
I think it's for newer models.

I know what you're saying about your pickup. We had a 1988 Corolla that was our main car for about 5 years. When we got the Prius we kept the Corolla for exactly the reasons you've got your pickup! We'd use it for going to the nursery and getting mulch, manure, sand or we'd go to the rock place to get ....well, rocks! Rocks for our rock wall, gravel for paths, that sort of thing. It finally developed a problem we couldn't solve, getting really wet inside during the rainy season. We never were able to find that leak. It was going to rust away so we gave it to a fellow who needed a car. Maybe he can take care of it.


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My needs tend to be minimal. (7.67 / 6)
I purchase books, smokes, booze, and food, but that's about it.

I find myself almost entirely uninterested in consumer goods.  I'm not really sure why that is, but I have no interest in ipods or cell-phones or blackberries or any of the other electronic devices that some people fetishize.

We sold our car a few years ago and I find myself entirely uninterested in getting another one.

I am a bad consumer.

{Shame on me.}

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At the risk of seeming somewhat petty, (6.25 / 4)
as someone who owns a condo loft in a large artists/craftspersons' community just outside Boston,  I have been accused on other unidentified blogs of being somebody who lives like G. H. W. Bush, without any of the people who post on that blog even knowing me personally, let alone any real stuff about the kind of life I lead.  

I live frugally, in that I don't spend lots of money on clothes, but I do like to get afew things on occasion to wear for special occasions.  I have two bicycles, one 27-speed touring bike for long distance rides out in the country during the good weather, on weekend, and a mountain bike for biking to errands and appointments, etc., around town in good weather.  I don't have a yacht, and I'm not interested in living in a huge mcmansion out in the suburbs or the boonies.  Right now, since my mountain bike is 13 years old and has good mileage, and is too heavy to lift onto my polecat house rack, I'm looking into a lighter mountain bike, made of aluminum, which is in the same price range as my present mountain bike, and considerably lighter, since it's made of aluminum, as opposed to steel.  My touring bike's made of lighter chromoly steel, which is necessary for sturdiness, with a touring bike, due to a thinner frame.  What I plan to do, is to trade my old mountain bike in and let the money go towards the new bike.  

I feel that a cell phone is beneficial for emergencies, or if I'm going to be late, due to delays in public transportation or excessive traffic congestion.  I also think that it's good to have it in case of a breakdown or any other kind of emergency.  When I'm on the road for long distance trips, it's good to have a cellphone, too.

As for a television, I've got a reasonable one, which is a high definition one, with cable.  I like to have decent TV viewing, even though I don't watch TV much.  It's good for something.

I do buy tools for my work, as needed, as well as materials, although I haven't bought sterling silver for sometime, since the price per ounce has gone up so much.  Once every year or so, I take a whole bunch of scrap silver that I've collected overtime to a pawn shop downtown and sell it for some cash.  I've managed, on several times, to get about $1300.00 worth of it.

Having a hybrid car helps a great deal.  I've saved a good bit on gas, since I only need to gas up once or twice a month, depending on how much driving I do, and I get good mileage when I drive long distances also.  

As for having a pet, especially given the loss of my funny pal, McGee, it's especially painful for me to be without one.  I know in my heart that I want to get another bird, but I'll have to wait.  I think I want to start fresh.  I cannot and will not accept the horrific choice of obtaining a pet that I really don't want, or settling for nothing.  That would be too painful for me emotionally, and, I sort of feel it in the pit of my stomach, as well, sometimes.  There are many people, both on and offline, who'd like me to suck it up and accept it, but, I know, that, since my system's very finely tuned, that I can't.  If people think me a spoiled brat, so be it.

As for furniture and clothes, bikes, cars and other second-hand stuff, I'm not anxious to take chances, because one never knows what they're getting into.  One poster even suggested that I get a rescued bird.  I am adamantly against that, because one never knows what they're getting, and I'm not willing to take unnecessary risks just to be well, pennywise and pound foolish, as the saying goes.  There are limits, imho.  I'm not interested in any fancy furniture, but I want furniture that's decent and reasonably attractive-looking.  Because of the real possibility of bedbugs, I'm not willing to risk second hand furniture.  

All of the above not withstanding, however, every so often, if I  find that I no longer want or need something or other, I'll either donate it to the American Friends Service Committee, dispose of it,  or donate it to the Good Will Memorial place down the street.

On the other hand, when my old computer started to burn out, I got a newer computer after a long, thought-out discussion, and it paid off.  What I do is, if I want something new that's big or important, I make sure that I get what I want, because it's an investment.

A home, a car, a TV, bicycles, tools and material for my silversmithing work, and a pet are all investments, as well as new appliances, so I make sure that I'm getting the right things, even if it means digging a bit deeper into my pocketbook, at times. A computer, too, is an investment, so I make sure that I'm also getting the right one for me.

A good friend mentioned that someone she knows has a 2-year-old parrot that needs a new home, but I told her that I wasn't interested in buying it for the following reasons:

A)  I'd rather buy a very young parrot (at least 3-5 months old), so I can train him/her adequately.  

B)  Since neither of us know why the parrot's present owner is looking to get rid of it, and what I'd getting into if I bought it, as I've mentioned before, in another post, that is a chance that I'm not willing or able to take.

C).  If it's the kind of parrot that I turn out not to want, that would not be acceptable, either.  

All of the above having been said, if I sound like a spoiled brat, so be it.



The more things change, the more they stay the same.


gha! (8.00 / 3)
this subject must have hit a sore spot within you, huh?
i might be wrong, but i don't think you've interacted with dancingtrees anywhere but on my blog. and yet your reply seems like you think she is attacking you.

how you were treated at other blogs needs to be left outside my door. even if some of the people here & there are the same. no-one here has ever said one unkind word to you mplo.
all the suggestions made to you on various subjects were all to help you explore all options. just as many people have given me ideas for remedys on getting well. i don't always follow all of them, but i DO appreciate the effort made. sharing is how we learn afterall.

i suggest you re-read this post.
try thinking that this is an article you found in a paper at... o let's say a little cafe where someone left it behind. you're just glancing over the stories & find this one.



"Indeed, if a poor man will spend a year in prison for stealing out of hunger,
how high would the gallows need to be to hang the rich man?"
~The Patrician in 'Snuff' by Terry Pratchett



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no problem ria! (8.00 / 5)
I just took it as everyone is different, and i just hope not to offend...
and i myself am not offended, not at all....


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RiaD; I didn't think that this post was an attack on me, nor do I think that anyone on here has said anything unkind to me here. (8.00 / 3)
You're right that I should've left the above meta outside the door, and I sincerely apologize for that, but let's chalk this off as a mistake on my part, as well as a learning experience;  that not all blogs are meant for meta, and this is one of them.  

As for exploring all options, I tend to think about them, which is often the best I can do.

I re-read the post, and I see what is being said, but I also feel the necessity to be careful about what I buy most of the time, since the things I buy are often long-term investments  of something or other.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.


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mplo (8.00 / 3)
apologies if i misunderstood your post.
i put it down to feverishness & peevishness at being ill for so long

"Indeed, if a poor man will spend a year in prison for stealing out of hunger,
how high would the gallows need to be to hang the rich man?"
~The Patrician in 'Snuff' by Terry Pratchett



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Thanks, RiaD. Apologies accepted. (8.00 / 3)
Hi, RiaD.  Hope you feel better soon.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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if you are spoiled, so am I! (8.00 / 6)
:)  

mostly i like to be frugal so that every now and then i can splurge on something totally unnecesary. :)
I know from my post I must sound like I never buy anything, but i didnt mean it that way.

I am sorry other people on other blogs have said negative about you/how you live, but i assure you, I dont think anyhting like that...  I think as long as you are happy, everyone else's opinions can take a flying leap. :)  

And i definatelyu understand the fear of bedbugs!  I dont think i would buy a used bed from anyone i didnt know well either!  I have a similar thing about public food, like all the samples at whole foods, and bar nuts.  It sends shivers down my spine to even think about them!!

I have enjoyed many of your posts, and look forward to getting to know you better!


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The first sentence in your above thread says a good deal, dancingtrees. (8.00 / 3)
Here's something kind of wierd;  Often enough, when I go out to dinner, I'll order a reasonably low-calorie dinner, and then offset it with a sinful dessert!  (hehe)

I agree that it was a mistake to mention the meta that I mention here, and that it should've been left at the door.  It's occurring to me more and more, and it's something that I've definitely not seen here on firefly-dreaming, that there are insecure people out in the world who like to put down others.  Misery loves company, as the saying goes.

Anyway, it's good to be as frugal as possible, but yet to be careful about what one buys.  I always figure that, while I don't want something at the very bottom of the line, I don't need anything that's really top of the line, either.  So, I strive for a happy medium, which, more often than not, has paid off.

Thanks for your input and feedback, dancingtrees.  I've enjoyed your posts too.  Keep up the good work.  I'm not one to generally explore a lot of options once I find something that I really like and am anxious to hold onto, but I realize that at least thinking about it never hurts.  There's one thing I have learned (at least somewhat) however);  when to stand my ground on something (which I often do), and when to mull things over.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.


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You know Miki (8.00 / 5)
I have always kind of visualized you as frugal after all you live in a loft!  How much stuff can you collect living in a loft?  I see dancingtrees essay as refreshing point counter to our consuming society, you know the old American way. It was a request to share how others shut out that flashing neon sign we are all faced with every where we look buy buy buy.

I think you have mastered it only buying very select items after careful thought, I still struggle shutting out the signs.  You weigh out the pros and cons for you, you take your time so you are brilliant.

No one sees you as a spoiled brat.  I see you as frugal, an artist, and an animal lover.  Your reasoning for the way you do everything is perfect and works for you and we all rejoice in you, no judgment.  OK?

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thats exacly what (8.00 / 4)
i wanted to say, but i lack the eloquence... thanks kathleen :)

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Thanks, Kathleen. (8.00 / 3)
Buying things carefully is something that I make a point of, and it's paid off.  If I'm not sure about something, I'll enlist the help and advice of other people.

One can't really collect a lot of stuff living in a loft, so, every so often, I do a spring cleaning and get rid of what I no longer want or need.  Thanks for your warmhearted compliments, btw.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.


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"Frugal living is an artform..." (8.00 / 3)
and as I've posted above, I think this is excellently stated. and like all art, IMO, the beauty's in the eye of the beholder... I'm sorry that you may have had bad experiences on other sites (I don't think that there's many of us here who haven't!) but I hope we can all leave that baggage where it belongs ~ in the past!

just a couple of other points... unless you're in the upper one tenth of one percent tax bracket, I just don't see how anyone could confuse your lifestyle with that of a Bush. I just think that's hilarious!

and as an animal rescuer, I hope that you can open your heart to even the possibility that you may find your next pet to love among those that so desperately need forever homes. I would never presume to tell you what you should or should not do about something so personal, and from your posts, it's obviously a very emotional subject for you. I'm only suggesting that it's possible to expand your options, and the capacity of your heart to find love in the most unexpected of places. my precious little Splinter, who will always remain in my heart was an abused rescue, and though it took time, he became the most loving, loyal companion I've ever had the fortune to know. I miss him so much, just as you must miss your beloved McGee.



It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm


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Rescues are special (8.00 / 4)
Most of the cats I've had, and all I have now, are rescues, and 4 of my GrandPigs have been rescues.  We drove 4 hours each way to pick up one of them.

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so true, Alma... (8.00 / 5)
all of our animals (except J's rabbits) are rescues, and each are special and beautiful in their own way.

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It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm


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Oh newpioneer what a beauty in the pic! n/t (8.00 / 4)


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Dolores thanks you, Kathleen! (8.00 / 3)
she'll be foaling any day now. soon these anxious nights of vigilance will be over and we'll have a brand new baby on our little farm!

It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm

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How sweet! :) (8.00 / 3)
After the big event give mom and baby some cuddles for me.  And post some baby pics please.

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will do, Alma ... (8.00 / 3)
and part of our frugal living are our wonderful goats! the goat's milk is great, and I'm learning how to make cheese, as well as goat's milk soap. and these new babies are a scream!

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and a proud papa!

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It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm


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How adorable (8.00 / 3)
You got some good looking kids there!

Goats are one of mine and my daughters favorites.  She fell in love with them when one came over and started eating her hair when she was a youngun.  She would have let it eat all of it if I would have let her.

Let me know how your cheese and soap turn out.


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that's hilarious, Alma! (8.00 / 3)
now that's a frugal haircut! I'll be sure to let ya know how everything turns out

It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm

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Awwww....How sweet! (8.00 / 3)
The goats are adorable!  Thanks for posting them and sharing them, newpioneer!

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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thanks, Miki... (8.00 / 3)
I sure do love 'em

It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm

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Again, you're welcome, newpioneer! (8.00 / 3)
Enjoy 'em!

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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Beautiful! (8.00 / 3)
Is that a horse?  What a beauty!!

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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Thanks, Miki! (8.00 / 3)
here's a pic of her sister Lourdes and baby niece Ana... too bad I just don't have the talent of Eddie and Knucklehead with my camera!

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It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm


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You're welcome, newpioneer! (8.00 / 2)
Hi, newpioneer!

Lourdes and Ana are gorgeous!  Thanks for posting them and sharing them with us.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.


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I see your point, Alma. (8.00 / 2)
While some people are qualified to take in rescued pets, I feel that I'm not.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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Hi mplo (8.00 / 3)
I read what you wrote in another thread last week.  I think you explained your reasons for not getting a rescue bird very well. A rescue pet isn't for everyone.  

Also you mentioned getting a bird from a reputable legal breeder that doesn't deal in birds that have been smuggled into the country.  When you first mentioned not getting a rescue bird I was imagining you paying for one of those poor birds smuggled into the country in tubes.  I didn't say anything at the time and I'm glad to have seen your post later because at the time I wasn't sure if you knew about the bird smuggling.


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Thanks, Alma. (8.00 / 3)
Hi, Alma.  I'm very much aware of birds that're illegally smuggled into this country.  However, since the early 1990's, there's been a crackdown on smuggling and importing of wild-caught exotic birds from other countries, and I'm glad of it, because wild-caught birds are so traumatized that it's virtually, if not downright impossible to train them to be adequate pets. Also, wild-caught birds are far more likely than domestically bred and raised exotics to harbor disease.  I also might add that most of the wild-caught birds that're caught for smuggling/importing into this country from other countries don't survive the ordeal, either.

There are legal and reputable breeders around, and, if I have to drive at least a couple of hours in order to get what I want, it's no big deal to me, either, partly because I'm used to driving longer distances.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.


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Wonderful Post dancingtrees :) (8.00 / 4)
I've been thinking a lot lately about saving money and trying to remember how I did it when my kids were small and we didn't have hardly anything.

We've never been the type of family that buys designer clothes or trendy tennis shoes or what not, but for several years I was used to buying lots of books, puzzles, and snack foods.  Those little things that add up fast.

Our circumstances have changed over the last few years so I've been trying to go to my old ways.  I don't carry any cash, so if I see a two buck item I want, I won't buy it because I won't charge anything that only costs $2.00.  I pay off my charge card every month so I don't have any interest charges so if I don't have the money in the bank for something I don't buy it unless its an emergency situation.

We hardly ever buy clothes.  Mainly just for xmas or birthday gifts for each other.  And we keep our clothes for years.  I bet the sweatshirt I have on right now is at least 10 years old, probably 15.

I do put off buying things, waiting to see if something goes on sale that I need.  

The want I can't seem to control is books.  I keep trying to not buy as many and I don't buy them right away anymore but they are still my downfall.


books are the best! (8.00 / 3)
Like i was saying to mplo, the point of being frugal for me is so i can afford small luxuries, like books.  I need to start going to the library! :)


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Me too (8.00 / 3)
but I've said that before and haven't done it.  :(


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here's a link (8.00 / 4)
i haven't gotten up yet...

this is a Good Thing!
http://bookmooch.com/languages

an online place where you can trade books!

"Indeed, if a poor man will spend a year in prison for stealing out of hunger,
how high would the gallows need to be to hang the rich man?"
~The Patrician in 'Snuff' by Terry Pratchett



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Speaking of things to wear, (8.00 / 2)
Most of my clothes don't seem to last long enough to keep for years and years, although I recently had a pair of bluejeans that lasted for 8 years before I was forced to retire them due to their having become too torn at the knees to wear any longer.  I tried iron-on patches, which worked for awhile, but even that eventually didn't work.

On the other hand, I have a really good pair of Timberland hiking books that I got 8 or nine years ago that're still really, good.  They've held out beautifully.  Too bad more stuff isn't made to last a long time.  Stuff used to be made to last years and years, but that seems to be no longer the case, especially since most of the products we get are made in third-world sweatshops, and look like it, too, for that matter.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.


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Quality (8.00 / 2)
sure has gone down, and it can be really hard finding anything made in the USA in the stores, and not just clothes.  

I still have a few items from highschool in my wardrobe, but don't usually wear them except for bumming around at home.


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That's absolutely true, Alma. (8.00 / 1)
Perhaps that has a great deal to do with the fact that it's fashionable now to make money hand over fist, and, as a result, quality often goes down quite rapidly.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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Actually I have (8.00 / 4)
a good example of how I put off buying things.

My computer mouse has not been functioning correctly for about 3 months.  It double clicks when it isn't supposed to which means it opens and shuts things with one click.  It jumps around when I click on things, like if I go to change the color on an email, the mouse cursor moves to the spot in the email wherever the drop down menu slot I clicked is, sometimes erasing words I've typed in the process, and it goes through pages, or programs to click on things underneath.  I tried cleaning it and that helped a very tiny bit for a week or so, but I've kept going.  Now today the scroll funtion isn't working.  I've been putting off buying a new one, but I think this one might have about had its day.


Dancingtrees did you see the movie (8.00 / 4)
Into the Wild?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I...

A true story about a young man who rejected all the trappings of society to live with only what he needed in the wild.  It is very well done and thought provoking on this subject.

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This sounds like a very sad but interesting story, Kathleen. (8.00 / 2)
In a way, it seems somewhat reminiscent of what many of the Flower Children of the 1960's did;  taking risks and deciding to live off the grid for awhile.  While some people survive and come out of the kind of experience and adventure that the young man in the story decided to take survive and emerge from this kind of thing unscathed, others don't.  

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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what a story, Kathleen... (7.75 / 4)
a tragic ending, but I admire his courage and conviction.

It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Thoreau ... and, do no harm

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The book Into the Wild (8.00 / 4)
was written by John Krakauer then Sean Penn made the movie.  Most of the time a movie is never as good as a book but Sean Penn really captured the story and it was just as good.  I hated to end, he was ready to go back to society.

Into Thin Air was his first book and a sit on the edge of your chair from start to finish. Krakauer's epic account of the May 1996 disastrous climb of Mt. Everest where I believe 6 people died. With black-and-white photographs taken by various expedition members, it illustrates what this tragic climb looked like and felt like, potentially provided closure for Krakauer.  

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I read the wikipedia article about the original story of "Into the Wild", (8.00 / 3)
and the ending was rather grisly.  Even though the guy was ready to return to society, his family and his friends, he was unable to, due to various changes wrought by Mother Nature.  The stream he once knew turned into a really raging, violent torrent of water, cutting off his ability to go back.  So saying, resigned to his fate, with his supplies running short,  he eventually passed on, and his body was eventually found by hunters.  Grisly, indeed.

I did hear of the book "Into Thin Air" by the same author.  It, too sounds rather intense.  

Kathleen, you're right about movies never being as good as the book most of the time, but one exception to this, I think, was Schindler's List,  in which, with just afew small exceptions, the movie followed the book pretty much scene for scene, etc.  Both the book and the film were wonderful.

Anyway, back to the subject at hand, Sean Penn's a good actor, so I'm sure he did a bang-up job of capturing the story.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.


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Yes the reason I posted about it here (8.00 / 3)
is the discussion of want v need because this young man graduated from college and then gave away all his earthly possessions in a quest for a different kind of learning.  A different way of living.  He had a very controlling father and his decisions to drop out was partly due to his need to get out from under that control to find his own way.  Very interesting.  Sean Penn did an outstanding job.

I agree about Schindler's List.

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In a way, though, it's too bad that the young man felt compelled to take (8.00 / 2)
these kind of drastic measures in order to break free of an extremely controlling father.  Interesting, and yet kind of sad, too.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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While I see where you're coming from on this, newpioneer, (8.00 / 3)
This:

a tragic ending

also indicates that there are limits to how far risk-taking can be taken.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.


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yes (8.00 / 4)
a very thought provoking movie...
I saw the movie years ago and it still comes up in conversation sometimes.  Brave and foolish.  Mother Nature ALWAYS wins.

[ Parent ]
Yup. (8.00 / 2)
This:

Mother Nature ALWAYS wins.

says it all, in a nutshell, dancingtrees.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.


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